Tutorials in HD and in english


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Nouville72
Tutorials in HD and in english

Hi there,

I uploaded 3 HD tutorials in french to Youtube.

And I just added my first one in english too, here is the link :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqBLo5OwZc8

(please keep in mind that english is NOT my first language, thanks)

I intend to add a few more tutorials later.

flann4lz
Hello Nouville72,

Hello Nouville72,
Your english is fine for me and tank you for your videotutorial and the other, that come later :).

adrianlag
I agree, your English is good

I agree, your English is good and the tutorial is a great introduction to LightZone. Thanks for taking the time to make the video and I look forward to your next one!

Nouville72
Thanks for these kind

Thanks for these kind comments. I will upload a new one ASAP, that means in a few hours ;)

greerd
Thanks

Good tip on the multiply! Please keep them coming.

Nouville72
Hi there,

Hi there,

I uploaded my 2nd english HD tutorial to Youtube. Here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSO-1Xu_XPo

greerd
Thanks again

Another informative tutorial! Keep up the good work.

jeffsvisions
Thank you

Thank you for your tutorial 's in English. I find then very helpful as a new user to light zone and PP in general. I can't wait for the next one . Again thank you.

sean b
Thank You

Just watched the 1st tutorial and it's very easy to follow. I prefer your English to that of a lot of the native English speakers on other Youtube PS type videos.

I'll watch the 2nd one tomorrow morning.

Nouville72
Thanks for your comments.

Thanks for your comments. By the way I was a (latin language) teacher.

I notice that some people are making PS type videos as if they were doing a Formula One race, even in my first language and as you mentioned it they are uneasy to follow. I don't think a good tutorial has to be that fast.

I intend to upload a 3rd one about Styles.

Nouville72
New HD Tutorial about Styles

Hi there,

I just uploaded to Youtube my 3rd english HD Tutorial about styles in LightZone

Here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-pREI1dYsQ

jeffsvisions
Thank you

thank you for another good Tutorial. i'm looking forward to your next one.

Hieronymus Bosch
Good work

I had a look at them all - both the French and the English - yesterday. Excellent work, that helped me to get going with my own pictures. Thank you!

Nouville72
New LZ video - HD 1920x1080

Here is a new HD tutorial I just uploaded to Youtube.
The full editing of a seascape, in HD 1920x1080

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWHNjg7iuLM

sorin
tutorials

Hello, nouville72!
Thanks for your tutorials, they are excellent. Tutorials are extremely important.
French would be welcome as tutorials language.

Nouville72
Thanks ! By the way I

Thanks ! By the way I uploaded 3 LZ tutorials in french too.
And today 2 more photo tutorials in english but not about LightZone though.
Maybe you could suscribe to my channel in Youtube (it's free lol) so that you'll be aware of new incoming ones.

Nouville72
LZ VS 5 other editors importing RAW

Hi there,

I just added 2 HD videos in which I compare LZ to 5 other photo editors with regard to RAW importation.

And the winner is...  Have a look at my videos to see the answer :P

Here's the link in Youtube of the 1st one  : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YSYOlqIXpM

 

 

Nouville72
Tutorial - Full editing of a RAW file

Hi there,

I uploaded a new video showing the full editing of a RAW file. A few different ways of selecting an area are shown and several blending modes are used too.

The video is in 1080P (1920x1080). Here is the link :  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnhgjWKW3iI

 

Nouville72
Tutorial - Full editing of a RAW file

Hi there,

I uploaded a new video showing the full editing of a RAW file. A few different ways of selecting an area are shown and several blending modes are used too.

The video is in 1080P (1920x1080). Here is the link :  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnhgjWKW3iI

 

Nouville72
New HD Tutorial : The Power of LightZone

If people seem to be interested I will add more videos like that one. Here is the link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SgMiupTk8Q

greerd
Well, I for one have watched

Well, I for one have watched all your video's and I think they're quite informative.

Thanks for your time and effort...keep 'em coming!

Nouville72
New HD tutorial

Hi there,

I uploaded a new HD video to Youtube illustrating the "Power of LightZone"

Here is the link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hCzWltXb7c

 

 

jeffsvisions
video come up as private

i like all your videos in english keep up the good work. but your last  video's  come up as private.and i can't play them.

Steve7390
Hello

Hi my name is Steve.

I'm a photographer and a long time Photoshop user.

I just downloaded LightZone and started to play around with it and would like to learn more about it, unfortunatly all the tutorials in this thread come up as private.

 

Nouville72
Hi Steve,

Hi Steve,

You are right, I made most of my videos private for the following reasons :

 

- 1) A guy is stealing them in his Youtube channel and offering them in his own name w/o giving the credit

- 2) I'm uncredited in Facebook where some of my tutorials are shown. I put a post about it but no one reacted

- 3) I got less than 10 comments out of 10 000 people watching my tutorials. I'm not interested in such an attitude. I used time and energy to offer those videos, it's not like uploading a movie showing my dog running for instance.

So for all of the above, I'm now reserving those videos and the numerous incoming ones to my friends. Sorry about that.

crazyquay
Your decision but...

 

 

I'm indeed sorry that you have chosen to 'block' your videos and, of course, its your choice. However, the silent majority that consumes content and doesn't acknowledge its creators is a fact of life on the internet - its nothing knew and I think (respectfully) that you are taking it far too personally.

In the spirit of sharing that is <open source > software such as LightZone has become, its my view that those involved in making this project come to life have done so for other reasons other than mere recognition --  I thought that you were posting the availability of your tutorials on this website in the same vain.

I was fortunate enough to see many of your videos before you blocked them... they are good and very helpfull.  I hope you will change your mind and share the spirit of openess found here or otherwise ask yourself why this thread still has relevance.

 

François

 

Steve7390
I understand.

Sorry to hear that, I underestand your position.

Other than a random search on Youtube or the videos on this site there's not much out there that I've found so far.

Thanks anyway.

Steve

Nouville72
I still have 4 LZ public videos

I still have 4 LZ public videos.

 

1) The very first tutorial, there : LightZone 4.0 - Tutorial showing the fast editing of 4 photos (HD) :  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqBLo5OwZc8

2) This one : Sagelight Image Editor + LightZone 4.0 + Photo Ninja - 1/2  :  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YSYOlqIXpM

3) That one : The match - LightZone 4.0 VS ACDSee Pro 6 - HD 1080p  :   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjyPUIJEG20

4) The french version of the last one (longer, 2 RAWS edited) :   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTmmoh5nL9I

 

 

 

Steve7390
Public Videos

Thanks

Hieronymus Bosch
I've been selling people on

I've been selling people on the beneftis of LZ at the local foto club, and some of the old Adobe heads had some issues with LZ:s way of handling saving("Done") vs. converting files. So I did a quick video covering the basics of importing, editing, saving and converting images in LZ here. Might be useful for other people too.

Youtube version here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPyr9FQuZG8

(Also, Nouville72, have a look at my awesome anti-"pirating" techniques. I enjoyed and benefitted from your vids tremendously while they were up, so perhaps you could consider something similar? Anyway, thanks for all the effort you put in.)

 

hcremers
Great videos, both by

Great videos, both by Nouville72 (the ones i managed to view) and Hieronymus Bosch.

 

We're going to need more of these in the near future, for newcomers to LZ, but also more advanced ones as more people get familiair with LZ.

 

Great job!

Nouville72
New PUBLIC LZ video

Hi there,

I just uploaded a new PUBLIC video about LightZone. It shows the fast editing of 3 uneasy pictures.

I used most of the tools : zone mapper, relight, color selection, hue/saturation, noise reduction, sharpen tool and a style too.

This video is in HD of course (1080p). Here is the link  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06FvlL0T7m8

greerd
Thanks Thierry

Another good one.  Maybe they'll start to sink in!

jeffsvisions
Thanks Thierry

very good. thank you again for all your good videos

Jeff

Nouville72
My 28 public videos

Hi there,

Well, I had too many people to add on Youtube (55 subscribers to date)  so all my videos are now public and will stay public.

I won't make private ones again :)

So all the links given above in this post should work.

 

 

nedsez
Many Thanks to Nouville 72

Hi Nouville 72

Thank you so very much for making your videos public again.

I and i'm sure many other Lightzone-4 users find your videos very help-full.

Please keep them coming

All the Very Best

Nedsez

Nouville72
Thanks Nedsez for taking time

Thanks Nedsez for taking time to write this post, we need more friendly people in this ugly, selfish society :)

Nouville72
New LZ video added - Enhancing a portrait

Hi there,

I just added to Youtube "LightZone 4.0 - Enhancing a Portrait - HD 1080p"

Here is the link :  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiF6ww9M3yo

Wendelin
Hi Thierry

Just want to say thank you for your great work, it's very much appreciated. 

Btw. I 'm glad, you made the private stuff public again. ;-)

Nouville72
Thanks Wendelin for taking

Thanks Wendelin for taking time to tell it  :)

Nouville72
New LightZone tutorial

Hi there,

I just uploaded to Youtube my last video about LightZone.  The title is "Sharing some tips - Editing 3 photos"

 

Here is the link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J9JrIp6jog

Nouville72
New Tutorial on Youtube

Hi there,

I just uploaded to Youtube my last tutorial about LightZone.  The title is "The Power of LightZone - Editing 10 pics in a row"
 

It's a 16 minutes HD video.

Here is the link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzUEukaa6bc

tex
Thank you , Thierry.  I'll

Thank you , Thierry.  I'll take a look later today or tomorrow.  Big cleanup at our house this weekend in advance of American Thanksgiving and the solstice holidays.

chipbutty
Thierry, your videos are

Thierry, your videos are great and much appreciated.

SFA
Nice work Thierry.

Good work Thierry and many useful points explained.

 

One thing that interested me was that you chose to make the noise reduction after the sharpening in one of the images. In past times the usual recommendation has been to place the NR reduction tool (or tools if adjusting NR for specific colours or luminosity ranges) very early in the process  - immediately above the RAW Tone Curve usually.

 

The theory is that by making the correction early it is more likely to be successful because any noise that exists will be at its lowest level before it is modified by other adjustment processes. Usually noise will be the last adjustment to fine tune but the tool should always be low in the stack - or so the theory goes.

 

I suspect that your example, with low levels of noise, means the LZ can easily meet your requirement wherever the tool is placed. But do you always use NR as the top tool of a stack (when needed) or do you move it to different places according to the needs of the image?

 

LZ offers so many possibilities that I always find it useful to understand how the experiences of other users have influenced the way they work.

 

Many thanks for sharing your insights.

 

 

Grant

 

 

SFA
A further thought ...

Thierry,

 

In your 3 image video you spent some time adding a region to the islands before sharpening.

 

I wonder if you have tried the alternative approach (which may or may not work  - but I tried it on 2 or 3 of my images with reasonable results) which would be to add an approximate mask to the island (Minimise the image, draw a rectangular mask that includes them but does not follow the outline exactly.) then use the colour selection in the tool to pick the blue in the sky. Invert the mask so that everything in the region EXCEPT the Sky's blue colour will be processed. Check the Colour Mask and adjust the color slider and/or luminosity slider(s) to fine tune if required. Apply sharpening as required.

 

I think in many cases this approach should work and save some time editing and maybe some processing overhead. (I'm not sure about that last statement  - maybe we could check with the developers.). Of course some images will not be suitable and the detailed outline will need to be drawn for the model, but I think many images may work perfectly well with such an approach. There is nothing to stop this being used for a quick assessment even if eventually one goes back to the regions and adjusts it to follow edge lines accurately.

 

I would be interested to know your opinion about this approach.

 

Grant

Nouville72
About Noise Reduction (answering to SFA)

A few points I want to clarify here :

 

- 1) NR (Noise Reduction) has become less and less useful nowadays. The digital cameras can handle low light situations much better than a few years ago. 

For instance I remember my 1st one in 2005, as soon as I was using 400 ISO (or more), I had much noise in my photos. Eight years later, I don't have noise even if I'm working with a 400 or a 800 ISO setting.

 

- 2) Noise  is sometimes appearing, in LightZone too, after using a few features, when you have some areas with a high contrast.

 

- 3) So, in my opinion, the NR tool must be used at THE TOP of the chain (more or less the last feature used).. I can tell I edited THOUSANDS of photos, from different cameras, issued from scanning and so on. I discovered to use the NR early was NOT a good idea because noise can still appear later.

For example, even a beginner can notice that sharpening sometimes brings noise. So, how many times will you use NR ?

 

- 4) We all know that the NR tool of LightZone isn't the best one. Well, I found that selecting a color before using the NR tool can be valuable. Then you can apply it more than once.

 

- 5) Finally, as you may know if you look at my videos, I have tested out almost ALL editors and photo editing tools, even the most unknown ones lol. About NR, in my opinion, far above all others, Noiseware from Imagenomic is the best one. 

 

About my 3 images video, maybe you are talking about my 1st one, I made more than a dozen better videos later. I just intended in my first one to show that LightZone existed again.

I agree and I told it in my comments that it wasn't my best one :)

And you are right, there are sometimes more than one way to edit a photo but some tools have to be used in the right order. For instance if you have an unwanting element to remove (like a thrashcan in your landscape), you will do it at the beginning of the workflow.

 

 

 

SFA
Good points from Thierry

Hello Thierry,

 

The 3 images video was the one linked in post 41 above. I think your videos are well executed and offer excellent opportunities to create discussions about whether one approach or another is useful, sensible or desirable. The great things about LZ (and potentially one of the biggest challenges) is how flexible it is and how much control it offers to a user. My personal observation has been that when I realised that experimentation was easy and highly desirable as part of the learning process, progress was much faster. Of course back then there were few videos to be found!

 

I completely agree with your point 1.

 

And I agree with point 2. I would add that one of the more common areas to see noise effects is from shadow recovery using, for example, Relight to recover more than about 1.5 stops. Maybe a bit more or a bit less depending on the image, the lighting and the camera! Often any noise that does exist will not matter at all at normal viewing or printing scales but it may become more irritating if trying to produce a result from a heavily cropped image. Of course that is the equivalent of printing (or viewing) at a very large size so noise may also be significant then.

 

Point 3.

 

I'm not sure that we can fix the rule to one position AND I suspect that we may need to think in terms of what sort of noise reduction is most required. Reducing colour noise may benefit from being treated at a different point in the stack compared to grain noise. I assume this is why LZ offers colour noise reduction as part of the RAW adjustments tool. (No grain adjustment there though). That would have been useful for the earlier sensors which could introduce a lot of electronic sensor noise even when working near their optimum levels. No so much of a problem in the past 5 years or so.

 

Of course I totally agree about the potential for introducing grain noise - especially sharpening and the Detail slider in the relight tool when they are doing what they are designed to do. However for an individual image and depending in the content and the intended use there may be benefits from assessing the difference between early use of grain NR application (intended to reduce potential for the need for later sharpening to introduce more perceived grain like results) or correction after sharpening. (Or both of course but then usually with some specific selection for colour or luminosity or just a region of the image).

 

So my personal conclusion has been that there is no "usual" place to apply NR although I find I use it more as the early tool on the stack if I use it at all! However I am happy to reconsider that if the image seems to demand a re-assessment or to correct specific noise like effects that appear later in the processing stack and cannot be avoided by other means.

 

Which brings me to point 4 with which I also agree although when you add together the possibilities to select specifically for colour (or separate adjustment for different colours using multiple NR tools in the stack) , luminosity and regions of the image then consider the ability to apply different blending modes for each instance of the tool, the LZ NR capability is extremely flexible. However having so many options implies quite a lot of effort to try to reach perfect results and a 'one click' solution is more attractive to most users. (I think.)

 

People new to Lightzone may not have discovered this flexible potential yet. I think it is certainly worth investigating even if we do not need to make use of it for most edits. The potential available goes far beyond just NR requirements as you know.

 

You make an important point about the order in which edits are applied. In LZ, after the basic RAW adjustment tools (if using a RAW file) the user is in total control of the order of tools in the stack. Other editors will apply some or all edit tool adjustments in a specific order that the designers have defined as their view of a logical edit sequence.

 

Both approaches are OK if they produce the results we want. However for anyone seeking a lot of adjustments to an image and coming to LZ from a fully controlled design that offers only a default processing order, it will very likely be worth spending some time discovering what happens to an image when the processing order is changed. It is easy enough to do and with a reasonably powerful system takes very little time to move a tool in the stack and see the results. Experimentation, in my opinion, is highly recommended. I think you would agree with that Thierry?

 

Thanks for creating the opportunity to have this discussion.

 

 

Grant

 

 

Nouville72
What do we want to obtain ?

Do we want to obtain an image fully obeying  to the "rules" of photography, fully technically enhanced ?

I don't think so, we want (and my customers from all around the world) want something pleasant to look at. People often forget that photography is an art, it isn't limited to some pixels or plugins. 

But I totally agree with your opinion about experimentation, this is of course the path of getting nice pics, I mean trying different ways of editing, different tools.

For instance I don't think any program to be 100% perfect, because one wants more precise tools for the perspective and lens correction and another one is looking for artistic features.

So in my opinion, I think it's ok to mix different tools, different strategies and of course experiment again and again, we always have to learn. Sofware is like hardware, it's getting more powerful too, so we don't have to neglect new programs. 

I will upload a new video today, a test match between 2 HDR programs, I don't give the names here because we are on a LightZone forum. But what I want to say is the less known program is better, far more better than the other well known and more expensive ones. I could only find this through... experimentation. :)

Lundberg02
What is the URL for your new comparison video?

Have you actually uploaded it yet?

Nouville72
Of course I did. Why not

Of course I did. Why not subscribe to my channel on Youtube, it's free and you would be aware of all my new videos. By the way, this HDR program is so good that I made 3 HD videos about it, more than one hour. Here is the link of the last one : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV576x-uhMs

It's interesting to compare a true HDR program to the various styles and blending modes of LightZone which can produce that kind of effect.

As I said above, you can mix several tools, choose the ones that you like or think to be the most efficient ones.

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